Comments on: Give Credit where Credit is Due! http://www.gildedserpent.com/cms/2009/09/28/dondigivecredit/ Belly Dance News & Events Fri, 10 Feb 2012 23:52:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Isla http://www.gildedserpent.com/cms/2009/09/28/dondigivecredit/comment-page-1/#comment-1698 Isla Fri, 19 Nov 2010 17:02:03 +0000 http://www.gildedserpent.com/cms/?p=828#comment-1698 Hi there, I just thought I'd share an instance where I made a HUGE rookie mistake similar to this. I had only been dancing 1.5 years and wanted to compete in an apprentice category at a Nationwide competition. I emailed a well known dancer and asked if I could use  a routine I had seen on youtube for my piece but only named the SONG. (In my newbie mind, the song was the name of the whole routine, not just the music) she said yes, and offered help etc, and I did credit her company with the choreography in my bio at the competion. However! It turned out she in no way felt she had been asked for or had given her permission to have her choreogrpahy used in a competition because she thought I had just asked to use the music and was just being extra sweet! AND  I actually placed in the competition! It was terrible... she was most kind but I was mortified and felt like I cheated or did something dishonest. Anyway, I did end up paying for the choreography, she explained how things work and it's water under the bridge but oh my gosh was it awful to know that you have offended someone that you admire. Hi there,
I just thought I’d share an instance where I made a HUGE rookie mistake similar to this. I had only been dancing 1.5 years and wanted to compete in an apprentice category at a Nationwide competition. I emailed a well known dancer and asked if I could use  a routine I had seen on youtube for my piece but only named the SONG. (In my newbie mind, the song was the name of the whole routine, not just the music) she said yes, and offered help etc, and I did credit her company with the choreography in my bio at the competion. However! It turned out she in no way felt she had been asked for or had given her permission to have her choreogrpahy used in a competition because she thought I had just asked to use the music and was just being extra sweet! AND  I actually placed in the competition! It was terrible… she was most kind but I was mortified and felt like I cheated or did something dishonest. Anyway, I did end up paying for the choreography, she explained how things work and it’s water under the bridge but oh my gosh was it awful to know that you have offended someone that you admire.

]]> By: Dondi Dahlin http://www.gildedserpent.com/cms/2009/09/28/dondigivecredit/comment-page-1/#comment-682 Dondi Dahlin Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:39:03 +0000 http://www.gildedserpent.com/cms/?p=828#comment-682 <strong>Margaret, Thank you for setting the record straight about Rah's video.   I am sorry if she got erroneously lumped together with the other dancers who clearly had seen my performance and copied it.  I actually don't mention her in my article as specifically being involved, but rather her video was among several sent to me by other dancers who felt, in their opinion, that my routine had been imitated.  The titles to the video clips were inserted by the editor and I apologize for any confusion.  </strong> Margaret,

Thank you for setting the record straight about Rah’s video.   I am sorry if she got erroneously lumped together with the other dancers who clearly had seen my performance and copied it.  I actually don’t mention her in my article as specifically being involved, but rather her video was among several sent to me by other dancers who felt, in their opinion, that my routine had been imitated.  The titles to the video clips were inserted by the editor and I apologize for any confusion. 

]]> By: Margaret MacLennan http://www.gildedserpent.com/cms/2009/09/28/dondigivecredit/comment-page-1/#comment-681 Margaret MacLennan Sat, 23 Jan 2010 03:37:26 +0000 http://www.gildedserpent.com/cms/?p=828#comment-681 I know the Halloween hafla dancer. She had not heard of the author until I forwarded this article to her. To clarify, it isn't a Dondi impression, it's a Monroe impression. I know the Halloween hafla dancer. She had not heard of the author until I forwarded this article to her. To clarify, it isn’t a Dondi impression, it’s a Monroe impression.

]]> By: Welcome to the Eleventh Giza Awards | Belly Dance News & Events - Gilded Serpent http://www.gildedserpent.com/cms/2009/09/28/dondigivecredit/comment-page-1/#comment-559 Welcome to the Eleventh Giza Awards | Belly Dance News & Events - Gilded Serpent Wed, 18 Nov 2009 05:39:29 +0000 http://www.gildedserpent.com/cms/?p=828#comment-559 [...] I’d like to say a few words on the explosion of festivals and competitions around the world and the nature of material that they submit to the Giza Awards. First, from the very organized, as The First World Belly Dance Competition in Seoul, Korea, with 1500 hundred contestants, sponsored by the Korean Ministry of Culture, televised live and held in a sports stadium. They organized around three basic categories, similar to the description I used when we opened this year’s awards: Tribal, Fusion, and Turkish & Egyptian style. The first prize was won by a Russian woman dancing in the Egyptian style. Now, there’s news: a Russian dancing Egyptian style! Natalya Becker. [...] [...] I’d like to say a few words on the explosion of festivals and competitions around the world and the nature of material that they submit to the Giza Awards. First, from the very organized, as The First World Belly Dance Competition in Seoul, Korea, with 1500 hundred contestants, sponsored by the Korean Ministry of Culture, televised live and held in a sports stadium. They organized around three basic categories, similar to the description I used when we opened this year’s awards: Tribal, Fusion, and Turkish & Egyptian style. The first prize was won by a Russian woman dancing in the Egyptian style. Now, there’s news: a Russian dancing Egyptian style! Natalya Becker. [...]

]]> By: Tracy http://www.gildedserpent.com/cms/2009/09/28/dondigivecredit/comment-page-1/#comment-535 Tracy Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:59:12 +0000 http://www.gildedserpent.com/cms/?p=828#comment-535 Dondi -- Well, the caption for the Halloween Hafla performance above does say,  YouTube clip of “Halloween” dancer copying Dondi’s original “Marilyn” concept/creation. Perhaps a GS editor created the caption? But that clip's inclusion does imply that you class amateur Marilyns as copycats -- thank you for clearing that up. <strong></strong><strong></strong><strong></strong> Dondi — Well, the caption for the Halloween Hafla performance above does say,  YouTube clip of “Halloween” dancer copying Dondi’s original “Marilyn” concept/creation. Perhaps a GS editor created the caption? But that clip’s inclusion does imply that you class amateur Marilyns as copycats — thank you for clearing that up.

]]> By: Kamala Almanzar http://www.gildedserpent.com/cms/2009/09/28/dondigivecredit/comment-page-1/#comment-529 Kamala Almanzar Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:46:07 +0000 http://www.gildedserpent.com/cms/?p=828#comment-529 Yes,  Jack Cole was a part of the "DennisShawn" school of dance which loved Oriental style. Take a look at my website (scroll down to bottom of photos) for a photo of my grandmother who was a student of theirs as well. I've always been fascinated by the way the dancers from both cultures cross-polinated. <a href="http://www.kamaladance/Kamala_/Photos.html" rel="nofollow">www.kamaladance/Kamala_/Photos.html</a>  for the photo I mentioned. Yes,  Jack Cole was a part of the “DennisShawn” school of dance which loved Oriental style. Take a look at my website (scroll down to bottom of photos) for a photo of my grandmother who was a student of theirs as well. I’ve always been fascinated by the way the dancers from both cultures cross-polinated. http://www.kamaladance/Kamala_/Photos.html  for the photo I mentioned.

]]> By: Dondi Dahlin http://www.gildedserpent.com/cms/2009/09/28/dondigivecredit/comment-page-1/#comment-513 Dondi Dahlin Wed, 21 Oct 2009 22:13:10 +0000 http://www.gildedserpent.com/cms/?p=828#comment-513 To Kamala Almanzar, Your comments really intrigue me.  Being rasied in theatre I had heard of Jack Cole and hs work with Marilyn on several films.  But, I didnt know that he was interested in Oriental dance.  Thank you for bringing this to my attention.   I find it fascinating.  Now I want to do more research on Jack Cole! When creating my Marilyn routine I asked many people, including our most "legendary" dancers in the Belly Dance world if they had ever seen a Marilyn/Belly Dance routine.  No one I had talked to had ever heard of one.  I would love to know who danced with this concept in mind back in the 70's in LA.  If it were caught on film (I know, wishful thinking) that would be even better.  :) In reference to Tracy's comment above, I have NEVER implied or stated taht <em>anyone</em> who dances dressed up like Marilyn Monroe is stealing my routine.  In fact, in my article I made no comments about Rah.  I simply included her video clip because people had brought to my attention that she was performing a Marilyn/Belly Dance routine at a HAFLA with partial Belly Dance costuming (hip belt) and they felt she was copying my concept.  Of course there have been thousands of Marilyn impersonations before mine...some  long before I was even born.  One of my favorite Marilyn impersonators was Jimmy James who I saw at The Roosevelt Hotel  in Hollywood in the late 1980's.  He blew my mind!  I definitely used him as an inspiration in creating my Marilyn routine.  Dondi Dahlin To Kamala Almanzar,
Your comments really intrigue me.  Being rasied in theatre I had heard of Jack Cole and hs work with Marilyn on several films.  But, I didnt know that he was interested in Oriental dance.  Thank you for bringing this to my attention.   I find it fascinating.  Now I want to do more research on Jack Cole!

When creating my Marilyn routine I asked many people, including our most “legendary” dancers in the Belly Dance world if they had ever seen a Marilyn/Belly Dance routine.  No one I had talked to had ever heard of one.  I would love to know who danced with this concept in mind back in the 70′s in LA.  If it were caught on film (I know, wishful thinking) that would be even better.  :)

In reference to Tracy’s comment above, I have NEVER implied or stated taht anyone who dances dressed up like Marilyn Monroe is stealing my routine.  In fact, in my article I made no comments about Rah.  I simply included her video clip because people had brought to my attention that she was performing a Marilyn/Belly Dance routine at a HAFLA with partial Belly Dance costuming (hip belt) and they felt she was copying my concept. 

Of course there have been thousands of Marilyn impersonations before mine…some  long before I was even born.  One of my favorite Marilyn impersonators was Jimmy James who I saw at The Roosevelt Hotel  in Hollywood in the late 1980′s.  He blew my mind!  I definitely used him as an inspiration in creating my Marilyn routine. 

Dondi Dahlin

]]> By: Kamala Almanzar http://www.gildedserpent.com/cms/2009/09/28/dondigivecredit/comment-page-1/#comment-506 Kamala Almanzar Tue, 20 Oct 2009 05:00:43 +0000 http://www.gildedserpent.com/cms/?p=828#comment-506 Just a side note on the topic, Marilyn Monroe's movement coach was Jack Cole, who was very interested in, and influenced by Oriental dance. I always saw a very Oriental side to Monroe's poses. I remember seeing some ladies do a Marilyn Monroe/belly dance fusion back in the 70's in LA, though I don't remember who it was. Anyone remember? Just a side note on the topic, Marilyn Monroe’s movement coach was Jack Cole, who was very interested in, and influenced by Oriental dance. I always saw a very Oriental side to Monroe’s poses. I remember seeing some ladies do a Marilyn Monroe/belly dance fusion back in the 70′s in LA, though I don’t remember who it was. Anyone remember?

]]> By: Naked Belly Dance in Ancient Egypt | Belly Dance News & Events - Gilded Serpent http://www.gildedserpent.com/cms/2009/09/28/dondigivecredit/comment-page-1/#comment-505 Naked Belly Dance in Ancient Egypt | Belly Dance News & Events - Gilded Serpent Mon, 19 Oct 2009 23:55:21 +0000 http://www.gildedserpent.com/cms/?p=828#comment-505 [...] Give Credit where Credit is Due! by Dondi Simone Dahlin However, some dancers are using the same music, costumes and choreography in [...] [...] Give Credit where Credit is Due! by Dondi Simone Dahlin However, some dancers are using the same music, costumes and choreography in [...]

]]> By: The Bellybutton Revolution | Belly Dance News & Events - Gilded Serpent http://www.gildedserpent.com/cms/2009/09/28/dondigivecredit/comment-page-1/#comment-502 The Bellybutton Revolution | Belly Dance News & Events - Gilded Serpent Mon, 19 Oct 2009 23:08:30 +0000 http://www.gildedserpent.com/cms/?p=828#comment-502 [...] Give Credit where Credit is Due! by Dondi Simone Dahlin However, some dancers are using the same music, costumes and choreography in [...] [...] Give Credit where Credit is Due! by Dondi Simone Dahlin However, some dancers are using the same music, costumes and choreography in [...]

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