{"id":2349,"date":"2011-02-02T12:42:17","date_gmt":"2011-02-02T19:42:17","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.gildedserpent.com\/cms\/?p=2349"},"modified":"2011-02-03T15:37:48","modified_gmt":"2011-02-03T22:37:48","slug":"horacio-khaled-pirating-music","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.gildedserpent.com\/cms\/2011\/02\/02\/horacio-khaled-pirating-music\/","title":{"rendered":"\u201cBut Others Do It Too!&#8221;"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"http:\/\/www.gildedserpent.com\/art52\/graphics52\/cifuentesCDcollage.jpg\" class=\"floatright\" width=\"300\" height=\"450\" alt=\"Placeholder\" \/><\/p>\n<h2>Pirating Recorded Music<\/h2>\n<h3>by <a href=\"http:\/\/www.gildedserpent.com\/aboutuspages\/horaciocifuentes.htm\">Horacio Cifuentes<\/a><br \/>\n<span class=\"footnotes\">posted February 1, 2011<\/span><\/h3>\n<p>\u201cBut others do it, too!\u201d was the answer we received from a well known  International Belly dance instructor,<span class=\"artist\"> Khaled Mahmoud<\/span>.\u00a0 The Egyptian born dancer, now residing in  London, felt that with that statement he was free of any kind of wrong-doing  concerning pirating of music, a subject that\u00a0  has served for many discussions among the Belly dance community  recently.<\/p>\n<p>In order to explain how we even arrived at the point of receiving such an  answer, from Khaled Mahmoud, I would like to tell you a little bit about how  <span class=\"artist\">Beata<\/span> and I ended up becoming music producers at all:<\/p>\n<p>The idea of producing music was the furthest from my mind when I was  first learning how to dance. I have been in love with dance since my childhood,  and attended several dance academies throughout the world in disciplines such  as classical ballet, modern dance, flamenco, etc.<\/p>\n<p>While I was a member of the <span class=\"company\">San Francisco Ballet<\/span>, I used to enjoy a  relaxing yoga session at the <span class=\"company\">Baptiste Center<\/span> after the long rehearsal days, and  it was there that I discovered the legendary <span class=\"artist\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.gildedserpent.com\/cms\/2010\/12\/03\/amina-magana-baptise\/\">Magana Baptiste<\/a><\/span> and her <span class=\"company\">Royal  Academy of Bellydance<\/span>. Soon I found myself taking her lessons. That was the  start of a life-long passion for Oriental dancing.<\/p>\n<p>On the other side of the globe, another passion was being born about the  same time. Beata walked into a book and\u00a0  music store lured by the sound of <span class=\"artist\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.gildedserpent.com\/art36\/YasminOmK.htm\">Om Kalthoum<\/a><\/span>. She studied at a  performing arts school in Berlin. Her focus was mainly Modern dance, Jazz,  Ballet, Tap and Flamenco. However, once discovering Oriental dancing, Beata  knew that she had found home. It was during this period that <span class=\"artist\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.gildedserpent.com\/aboutuspages\/bert.htm\">Bert Balladine<\/a><\/span> had  begun to travel to Berlin, and they became friends. Bert became Beata\u2019s teacher  and mentor, and through him, she was introduced to the dance world in the  United States.<\/p>\n<p>Several years later, I met Beata, and we became dance partners. Shortly  thereafter, we married, and I transferred to Berlin, Germany, where we  co-direct an academy for Oriental dance, Ballet and other dance styles.<\/p>\n<p class=\"highlight\">Our first trip to Cairo together took place in the early nineties. Beata  had been to Cairo several times before, but for me, it was an awakening  experience to see a dancer framed by a 35 piece orchestra! We realized then  that Egyptian dancers draw from their musicians, and their ability to deliver  such strong performances lies within their magnificent orchestras.<\/p>\n<p>After I saw my first Egyptian dancer (<span class=\"artist\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.gildedserpent.com\/art29\/CEBMonaSaid.htm\">Mona Said<\/a><\/span>), Beata and I went on a  quest, searching for the kind of music we had heard in that elegant Cairo Night  Club&#8211;unsuccessfully. We searched and searched, and learned that the Egyptian  divas were not interested in recording their music, for which they paid  handsome fees to the composers, because they did not want it stolen. In our na\u00efve  enthusiasm we embarked in the mad undertaking of hiring a composer and a full  Egyptian orchestra in order to reproduce the sound with which we just had  fallen in love.\u00a0 With hard-earned \u201cshimmy  money\u201d funds, which we had diligently saved after many gigs and workshops, we  commissioned our first CD. <\/p>\n<p class=\"highlight\">It is not uncommon knowledge for those of you who  have been to Cairo, even if only to shop for tourist artifacts at the Khan El  Khalil Bazaar, that hustling and haggling with foreigners is one of Egypt\u00b4s  national sports!<\/p>\n<p>Well, to make a long story short, we learned many things about the  Egyptian culture by embracing the music industry. Sometimes, it would take  three days to agree on a price. Another time, after the recording was finished,  the composer demanded several thousand dollars more than we had agreed upon, or  he would not give us our master CD. During one recording, the engineer placed  the violin too close to a percussionist and the recording ended up with type of  \u201dWooomm, wooom!\u201d on each beat during the final recording. <\/p>\n<p class=\"highlight\">All musicians had  been paid, the composer had gone home, it was 5:00 a.m., we were exhausted, and  the engineer just said, \u201dMahalesh\u201d (Nevermind). The recording was <strong><em>expensive  and useless<\/em><\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p>Yet, these difficult experiences were dwarfed by glorious moments in the  recording sessions, when masters such as <strong>Saad Mohammed Hassan<\/strong> hypnotized  everyone present with his violin during a recording of <strong>\u201cAna Fintizarak\u201d<\/strong>!  We discovered the richness and complexity of Oriental rhythms and nuances and  became more mature dancers for the experience.\u00a0  Beata, being as passionate as I am, was my \u201cpartner in crime\u201d along this  journey. We would return to Cairo again and again, in love with this song and  that the song, and ended up working with some of the most fantastic recording  artists and composers in the field.<\/p>\n<p>The result is the <span class=\"company\">Oriental Fantasy<\/span> Music Series, Volumes 1-12. I  can honestly say that each music CD is done with the dancer in mind. We were  present at each recording for many, many hours (while being practically  poisoned from cigarette smoke). Yet, we were able to contribute our dancer  knowledge concerning the type of sound, tempo, beat, and accents, which are  required for a good dance performance.<\/p>\n<p class=\"highlight\">I figured we were investing in our future. \u201cOne day\u201d, I thought, \u201cwe can  retire from dance and collect the fruits of our efforts as music producers.\u201d  For a while we were able to retrieve our investment and go into profit.  Unfortunately, this has changed now. <\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"http:\/\/www.gildedserpent.com\/art52\/graphics52\/cifuentessonglists.jpg\" alt=\"Comparing song lists\" width=\"300\" height=\"450\" align=\"left\" \/>A group of international teachers have developed a very easy way to make  a lot of money out of other people\u00b4s productions. They make pirated copies of  our and other music, put their picture on it, and sell the CDs at workshops.  This practise is accepted by many organizers of events. Apparently, if a  teacher makes a lot of money by selling CDs, he or she might accept lower fees  for teaching at the event.<\/p>\n<p>We consulted lawyers, only to learn that suing someone internationally  is a lot more complicated than one might expect, and the costs are higher than  any value we could gain. These teachers are aware of this limitation and that  is why they continue with their criminal activity, doing very well at  convincing themselves that, because some of their colleagues do it as well, it  is permissible. Khaled,  one instructor alone, has sold our music on one thousand  CDs, (one thousand times $20 \u2013well, you do the math)!<\/p>\n<p>When I realized finally that our latest music CD entitled \u201c<a href=\"http:\/\/www.gildedserpent.com\/art43\/aminaCDreviews.htm\">Talisman<\/a>\u201d (It  includes 30 top musicians and fantastic new compositions.) had not even  retrieved its original investment, I fell into a deep depression. \u201cI had such  good intentions!\u201d I thought. \u201cAfter two decades of investing all our shimmy  money in this music, all these thieves are just stealing it!\u201d We were both torn  between anger, fear for the future, and sadness.<\/p>\n<p>Khaled Mahmoud, this same dance intructor (who stands at the top of my  list of music pirating, along with several of our other colleagues such as,  <span class=\"artist\">Mohammed Kazafy, Lubna Imam<\/span> ,and yes, even<a href=\"http:\/\/www.gildedserpent.com\/art44\/yasminaranda.htm\"> <span class=\"artist\">Randa Kamel<\/span><\/a> copied \u201cBaed Anak\u201d) in  the past, has been invited as a guest teacher and instructor at our dance  academy as well as the international Raks Sharqi Festival in Berlin. After his  third guest performance in Berlin, and many (quite personal) conversations, we  had been under the impression that we were friends.<\/p>\n<p>When one of our students bought a CD copy from him at the <span class=\"company\">Cairo Nile  Festival<\/span> for the outrageous sum of 20 dollars (US), she was up in arms when she  found out that she already possessed two of the songs from our music series, especially  the song \u201cTalisman\u201d. Another dancer was upset because her copied CD did not  last long, but she never got a response when she requested a replacement.<\/p>\n<p class=\"highlight\">We have also received news from musicians in Cairo who complain that,  lately, they don\u2019t get enough jobs recording and they and their families suffer  financially.<\/p>\n<p>I emailed the  offending instructor several times but received no answer. I phoned him. Unable  to reach him personally, I left messages in his answering machine. \u201cKhaled My friend,\u201d I said, \u201cthis problem will not go  away by remaining silent!\u201d <\/p>\n<p class=\"highlight\">He phoned back and said to me, \u201dI am not the only  one doing this! Besides, it will cost you too much to sue me! What do you want?  I already said that I am sorry.\u201d <\/p>\n<p>So, that is  our music story. The limits of the law have a way of protecting criminals and those who offend at times. We have decided not to release our  latest recording, more than one hour of marvellous music with full orchestra.  At the prospect of being robbed like this, we have decided to use some of it  for our performances, and the rest will remain un-released, until, through a  change in consciousness and methods, teachers and organizers come to the  understanding that they are destroying the music business. Also, we have made a  lot of our music available as a download from our web page.<\/p>\n<p>In the summer  of 2010, we had the great <span class=\"artist\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.gildedserpent.com\/aboutuspages\/jillina.html\">Jillina<\/a><\/span> as our guest. She was selling original copies  and was prepared to purchase music from us at a wholesale price. We wish that  more teachers would do ethical business like Jillina does, in a considerate and  professional manner.<\/p>\n<p>Beata and I  appeal to the dance community not to support music pirating and to understand  that such activities kill the very source from which they benefit.<\/p>\n<table width=\"560\" border=\"5\" align=\"center\" cellpadding=\"0\" cellspacing=\"0\" bordercolor=\"#FF9900\">\n<tr>\n<td>\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"YouTube video player\" class=\"youtube-player\" type=\"text\/html\" width=\"560\" height=\"345\" src=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/hVGboCdCkZ4\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowFullScreen\"><\/iframe>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/table>\n<p><strong>Beata &amp; Horacio- <a href=\"http:\/\/www.oriental-fantasy.com\/english\/musik.html\" target=\"_blank\">http:\/\/www.oriental-fantasy.com\/english\/musik.html<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.gildedserpent.com\/graphics\/acommentbox.jpg\" alt=\"use the comment box\" align=\"right\" \/><\/p>\n<div class=\"ready4more\">\n<p>Have a comment? Use or comment section at the bottom of this page or <a href=\"mailto:editor@gildedserpent.com\">Send us a letter!<\/a> <br \/>\nCheck the &quot;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.gildedserpent.com\/let2ed.htm\">Letters to the Editor<\/a>&quot; for other possible viewpoints!<\/p>\n<p>Ready for more?<\/p>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<p>\t\t\t<!--end ready4more --><\/p>\n<div class=\"articlelist\">\n<ul>\n<li><strong>5-24-10 <a href=\"http:\/\/www.gildedserpent.com\/cms\/2010\/05\/24\/cifuentes-loyalty\/\">Loyalty, A Virtue Out of Fashion?<\/a> by Beata and Horacio Cifuentes<\/strong><br \/>\nSome do not stop to think that it is a matter of basic manners to express your gratitude to an individual who has made an effort to provide well-being and knowledge. They just go and move on to their aerobics classes, horseback riding sessions, judo drills, or other, while the teacher is left behind wondering if any aspect of their lesson caused the pupil to go. <\/li>\n<li><strong>8-17-10 <a href=\"http:\/\/www.gildedserpent.com\/cms\/2010\/08\/17\/amina-horacio-cifuentes-book-review\/\">And I thought I Knew Him, Horacio Cifuentes: Confessions of a Male Belly Dancer<\/a> Book Review by Amina Goodyear<\/strong><br \/>\nYes, I thought I knew Horacio Cifuentes, a San Francisco dancer who moved to Berlin to be with and wed Beata Zadou. After reading his book, I realized I really did not know him. The book, &ldquo;Confessions of a Male Belly Dancer&rdquo;, is exactly that. It is a self-produced autobiography written in a very sincere, almost shockingly honest way. It is personal and personable. <\/li>\n<li><strong><b>3-16-05 <a href=\"http:\/\/www.gildedserpent.com\/art30\/horaciomagana.htm\">About my teacher Magana Baptiste<\/a> by Horacio Cifuentes<br \/>\n<\/b><\/strong>At the time when her husband placed second in the Mr. America body building contest, and mind you, these were the days when body builders took no steroids and were true examples of healthy humans, Magana placed first runner up in the Miss USA beauty competition held in Los Angeles in 1951.<\/li>\n<li><strong>3-15-08 <a href=\"http:\/\/www.gildedserpent.com\/art43\/aminaCDreviews.htm\">The Magic Sounds Studio of Cairo, 3 Albums reviewed and Compared<\/a> by Amina Goodyear<br \/>\n<\/strong>CDs- Oriental Fantasy #12- Talisman, Nesma:Del Nilo al Guadalquivir(From the Nile to the Guadalquivir),Nesma, Memories of Cairo. <strong><br \/>\n<\/strong>In a world where Egyptian dancers dance in the &quot;less is more&quot; tradition, the world of musicians seemed to be &#8211; more is better and lots more is best. <\/li>\n<li><strong>7-16-07 <a href=\"http:\/\/www.gildedserpent.com\/art40\/YaminCopyright.htm\">Music Copyright Law for Belly Dancers (or for any Performing Artist)<\/a> by Yasmin <br \/>\n<\/strong>From Hollywood blockbuster movies down to clips on YouTube the law is the same and it applies to anyone who uses someone else&#8217;s music for their own purposes. <\/li>\n<li><strong>9-28-09 <a href=\"http:\/\/www.gildedserpent.com\/cms\/2009\/09\/28\/dondigivecredit\/\">Give Credit where Credit is Due!<\/a> by Dondi Simone Dahlin<\/strong><br \/>\nHowever, some dancers are using the same music, costumes and choreography in their performances that they first see elsewhere. This begs the question: at what point does copying someone&rsquo;s original concept or choreography cross over from homage to stealing?<\/li>\n<li><strong>2-1-11 <a href=\"http:\/\/www.gildedserpent.com\/cms\/2011\/02\/01\/denise-pangia-hakim\/\">Attention Dancers: Have You Seen this Man?<\/a> Text and photos by Denise Mannion<\/strong><br \/>\nI promised that I would let the world of Belly dance know about this singular character! Watch (out) for him at you next event, for he could be anywhere! <\/li>\n<li><strong>1-30-11 <a href=\"http:\/\/www.gildedserpent.com\/cms\/2011\/01\/30\/katherine-carl-north-bay-bellydance-bazaar\/\">Fun TImes at the Third Annual North Bay Belly Dance Bazaar, A Northern California Community Event<\/a> by Katherine Goldsby and photos by Carl Sermon<\/strong><br \/>\nDeborah Bennett and TerriAnne Gutierrez co-produced the third North Bay Bellydance Bazaar (NBBB)  which was held on September 18 &amp; 19, 2010 at the Sebastopol Community Center in Sonoma County, California. <\/li>\n<li><strong>1-28-11 <a href=\"http:\/\/www.gildedserpent.com\/cms\/2011\/01\/28\/naajidah-pro3-unpleasant-truths\/\">The Unpleasant Truths, Part 3 of Being a Professional<\/a> by Naajidah and Ashiya<\/strong><br \/>\nIf you really want to be a professional, first and foremost you must understand you are not so much a professional dancer as you are an entertainer. <\/li>\n<li><strong>1-27-11 <a href=\"http:\/\/www.gildedserpent.com\/cms\/2011\/01\/27\/chloe-joweh-in-guatemala\/\">Joweh&#8217;s &quot;Call to Dance&quot; In Guatemala, Part 1: Arrival<\/a> by Chloe Villareal<\/strong><br \/>\nEven our exhaustion couldn\u2019t dampen our excitement and eagerness to explore our fascinating new surroundings. <\/li>\n<li><strong>1-25-11 <a href=\"http:\/\/www.gildedserpent.com\/cms\/2011\/01\/25\/carl-photos-bduc-2010-fusion\/\">The Fusion Category, Photos from the 20th Annual Belly Dancer of the Universe Competition<\/a> by Carl Sermon<\/strong><br \/>\nAmani Jabril, Apsara, Dilek, Eliza, Gina, Jane, Kellie, Khuzama, Lucia, Maria, Mireya, Rachel, Tiaja, Tracy, Valentine, Zondra<\/li>\n<li><strong>1-24-11 <a href=\"http:\/\/www.gildedserpent.com\/cms\/2011\/01\/24\/neferteri-vegas-bellydance-intensive\/\">Smooth Growth of Community Event, Las Vegas Intensive<\/a> report by Neferteri<\/strong><br \/>\nIt was interesting to note that everyone I talk to said they came to the convention so they can say that they had danced in Las Vegas. <\/li>\n<li><strong>1-20-11 <a href=\"http:\/\/www.gildedserpent.com\/cms\/2011\/01\/20\/roza-contest-queens-in-arizona\/\">Queens in Arizona? 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