{"id":2611,"date":"2011-04-25T11:30:22","date_gmt":"2011-04-25T18:30:22","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.gildedserpent.com\/cms\/?p=2611"},"modified":"2011-04-25T11:30:22","modified_gmt":"2011-04-25T18:30:22","slug":"yasmini-zills-sagat-difference","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.gildedserpent.com\/cms\/2011\/04\/25\/yasmini-zills-sagat-difference\/","title":{"rendered":"You Say Zills, I say Sagat"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"http:\/\/www.gildedserpent.com\/art53\/graphics53\/zillsagat.jpg\" class=\"floatright\" width=\"300\" height=\"450\" alt=\"Placeholder\" \/><\/p>\n<h2>So What\u2019s the Difference?<\/h2>\n<h3>by <a href=\"http:\/\/www.gildedserpent.com\/aboutuspages\/YasmineSerpentine.htm\">Yasmin Henkesh<\/a><br \/><span class=\"footnotes\">posted April, 2011<\/span><\/h3>\n<p>Have you ever picked up  a set of Egyptian finger cymbals? They don\u2019t look or sound like the zills we  play in the West, do they? They\u2019re bigger and heavier and don\u2019t ring as loud or  for as long. And they only have one hole for elastic (instead of two slots) so  you have to hold them differently &#8211; otherwise they wobble. But Egyptian finger  cymbals, or sagat, are made that way for a reason \u2013 Middle Eastern audiences  prefer the sound they make. They would much rather hear \u201cchink-chink\u201d and \u201cclack-clack\u201d  than ringing in their ears. <\/p>\n<p class=\"highlight\">Nevertheless, many  dancers outside the Middle East still think  the only difference between zills and sagat is semantics \u2013 \u201ctwo words for the  same instrument.\u201d If you\u2019ve played both &#8211; correctly &#8211; I doubt you would agree.<\/p>\n<p>So what exactly makes  them different? The most obvious distinctions are tonal clarity and ring-times.  Sagat only ring for a second or two (or clack like wooden castanets) while  zills reverberate for four to eight seconds after they are struck. This is  partly due to how thick their walls are and the way they are manufactured.  Sagat are thicker because they are cast. Zills are hammered or stamped which  makes them thinner. Zills are also tempered, a heating process that permits  metal to vibrate longer. <\/p>\n<p class=\"highlight\">In a nutshell, zills  weigh less and ring more than sagat.<\/p>\n<p>Sagat are also shaped  differently than zills. They have relatively small domes and wide rims that  clack when struck together. Zills have thin rims and high domes, along with two  holes for threading elastic. This helps anchor them onto the fingers without  touching them directly. Otherwise, they won\u2019t ring. This is not the case for  sagat. Sagat make noise even when you hold them. This is important because  their single-holed design is so unsteady that a special \u201cclam-shell\u201d grip was  developed to control them. It entails keeping the thumb sagat stationary (by  pushing them into the palms), while the finger sagat do the striking.<\/p>\n<p>So how far back do these  differences go? Archeological evidence indicates that hand-held metal discs  were played in the Middle East from 1500 BC  onward, even though paired hand-held percussive instruments appeared much  earlier. Wood and ivory clappers were found that date to Egypt\u2019s  pre-dynastic era, circa 3300 BC. Compared to them, cymbals are a recent  invention. And what was the shape of these early cymbals? They all had wide  rims, one hole and relatively thick walls.<\/p>\n<p>During the Greek era (starting  about 500 BC), bronze cymbals spread around the Mediterranean  with the worship of Cybele and later Dionysus. By the Roman   Empire cymbals had become commonplace; bronze was easier to  obtain. The Empire shipped large quantities of northern tin south for smelting  with copper from Turkey,  Sinai and Cyprus.  Cymbals uncovered from this period also resemble sagat. Only during the Middle  Ages, with the increased use of brass (copper and zinc) over bronze, did cymbal  design began to differentiate according to regional preferences &#8211; bell-like  tones for the Greeks and Turks, while the Egyptians remained faithful to their  ancient clacking sounds.<\/p>\n<p class=\"highlight\">There are advantages  and disadvantages to each type. Certainly, zills are easier to control and are  definitely louder. Sagat, on the other hand, change pitch. <\/p>\n<table width=\"124\" border=\"0\" align=\"left\" cellpadding=\"5\" cellspacing=\"0\">\n<tr>\n<td><iframe src=\"http:\/\/rcm.amazon.com\/e\/cm?t=thegildedserpent&amp;o=1&amp;p=8&amp;l=as1&amp;asins=B000FCUYQS&amp;ref=tf_til&amp;fc1=000000&amp;IS2=1&amp;lt1=_blank&amp;m=amazon&amp;lc1=0000FF&amp;bc1=000000&amp;bg1=FFFFFF&amp;f=ifr\" style=\"width:120px;height:240px;\" scrolling=\"No\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" frameborder=\"0\"><\/iframe>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/table>\n<p>They can even produce a  restricted scale, similar to a tabla, and melodies. True, it takes more  practice to play sagat; but proficiency in any instrument doesn\u2019t come  overnight. The clamshell grip (the secret to their wonderful tonal varieties)  enables the fingers to choose which part of the rim to strike. Even hand  positions matter. Palms-up versus palms-down can change their sound, along with  varying the arm positions. Hands held high above the head, for example, strike  cymbals differently than hands stretched out in front, to the side, or down by  the hips.<\/p>\n<p>Finger cymbals were  introduced to the West in the late 1800s by the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.gildedserpent.com\/articles17\/sadiraaishaalighawasi.htm\">Ghawazees<\/a>, during their  performances at the Worlds Fair Expositions. They played sagat continuously &#8211;  to the point where, to the Europeans and Americans who saw them, the metal  discs were simply blurred extensions of their fingers. Even before this  mass-market appearance, visitors to Egypt were enthralled (or annoyed)  with the sound of their constant chatter by the area\u2019s \u201cdancing girls.\u201d  Fortunately for cymbal fanatics like me, Napoleon\u2019s music specialist for the  Description De l\u2019Egypte, Guillaume-Andre Villoteau, documented what the  Ghawazees were doing in 1798. (I have translated his entire section on cymbals for  the Sagat Speak booklet.)<\/p>\n<p>Many of these patterns  are still played today. Others have fallen by the wayside. A lucky few were  recorded for posterity over a century later. In 2006 the British Museum  released a CD, Women of Egypt 1924-1931: Pioneers of Stardom and Fame, with<a href=\"http:\/\/www.gildedserpent.com\/art47\/jalilahbadia.html\"> <strong>Badia  Masabni<\/strong><\/a><strong> <\/strong>playing sagat on one of the tracks (Raqs Badi\u2019ah). According to the  accompanying booklet the piece was recorded in Egypt in the 1920s at the peak of  her dancing career. (Individual tracks are available for download, but anyone  interested in Egyptian music history will find the liner notes well worth the  extra price for the CD). Her use of syncopation is particularly delightful.<\/p>\n<p>There is also footage of  Badia singing and playing sagat with her troupe, thanks to <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.gildedserpent.com\/aboutuspages\/jalilahzamora.htm\">Jalilah<\/a><\/strong> and  <span class=\"company\">Gilded Serpent<\/span>. Notice in the clip how she holds the cymbals and uses her  fingers to change the sounds they produce; loud or soft, ringing or mute,  single strike or doubles.<\/p>\n<table width=\"480\" border=\"5\" align=\"center\" cellpadding=\"0\" cellspacing=\"0\" bordercolor=\"#FF9933\" bgcolor=\"#000000\">\n<tr>\n<td>\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"YouTube video player\" width=\"480\" height=\"390\" src=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/26V9iOEw1co\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/table>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<table width=\"124\" border=\"0\" align=\"left\" cellpadding=\"5\" cellspacing=\"0\">\n<tr>\n<td>\n<iframe src=\"http:\/\/rcm.amazon.com\/e\/cm?t=thegildedserpent&amp;o=1&amp;p=8&amp;l=as1&amp;asins=B002P5APFS&amp;ref=tf_til&amp;fc1=000000&amp;IS2=1&amp;lt1=_blank&amp;m=amazon&amp;lc1=0000FF&amp;bc1=000000&amp;bg1=FFFFFF&amp;f=ifr\" style=\"width:120px;height:240px;\" scrolling=\"No\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" frameborder=\"0\"><\/iframe>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/table>\n<p>There is a plethora of  sagat players in Egypt\u2019s  black and white \u201cGolden Era\u201d films. Tahiya Carioka was the most famous, but  there were many other gifted dancers as well \u2013 <strong>Naima Akef, Beba Aiz-ed-Din<\/strong> and <strong>Nabawiya Moustafa<\/strong>, to name a few. Sadly, the soundtracks of these  films rarely included the dancers\u2019 actual performances. The music was usually  dubbed-in later, during post-production, from a sound studio recording of a  musician playing sagat. Nevertheless, you can still make out what the dancers  were doing, if you slow down the clips to half-speed. (You can also see if they  were right or left handed. Look closely &#8211; Tahia Carioka was left-handed.)<\/p>\n<p>There were many gifted  sagat players during the 1970s and \u201880s as well. YouTube is full of examples. I  have footage in my private collection of <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.gildedserpent.com\/cms\/2009\/07\/29\/yasminacfifi\/#axzz1KYiGegyd\">Fifi Abdou<\/a>, Aizza Sharif, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.gildedserpent.com\/art38\/LeilaIdanceUfollow.htm\">Sohair  Zaki<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.gildedserpent.com\/cms\/2010\/01\/27\/yasminshooshooamin\/\">Shoo Shoo Amin<\/a>, Zizi Moustapha, Nelly Fouad, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.gildedserpent.com\/art45\/FatimaNadiaHamdi.htm\">Nadia Hamdi<\/a> <\/strong>and<a href=\"http:\/\/www.gildedserpent.com\/art35\/AidaInterview.htm\"> <strong>Ida  Nour<\/strong><\/a><strong> <\/strong>all playing sagat. They wore them during folkloric tableaux, to  imitate Ghawazees (complete with wide stance and big hip movements). They also  used sagat to keep people\u2019s attention when they went for tips during their \u201caudience  participation\u201d sections.<\/p>\n<p>Sadly, playing finger  cymbals is a dying art for Egypt\u2019s  dancers. <strong>Dandesh <\/strong>is the only one I have seen recently who uses them (See<a href=\"http:\/\/www.gildedserpent.com\/art41\/cebfarah.htm\"> Farida of England\u2019s  wonderful DVD of Dandesh<\/a> with <strong>Sayed Lackey,<a href=\"..\/aboutuspages\/LeilaCairo.htm\"> Leila<\/a>\u2019<\/strong>s sagat player. He  began his career playing for <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.gildedserpent.com\/art43\/aminaCDreviews.htm\">Sahar Hamdi<\/a><\/strong>, who didn\u2019t play them). Let\u2019s  face it: it\u2019s far easier to hire a musician nowadays than to learn how to play  them yourself. They\u2019re work! Nevertheless, a musician can\u2019t play them the way a  dancer will, to the step or to the melodic phrasing. Instead, he or (rarely)  she will stick to the rhythm or the time signature. <\/p>\n<p class=\"highlight\">Furthermore, a sagat  player is only one among many percussionists, and usually low on the orchestral  totem pole. A dancer, however, becomes an aural focal point when she plays. Her  sagat become stars of the show, not just one of many jingling instruments in  the background.<\/p>\n<p>This is why dancers  should honor these ancient instruments and perform with them front and center.  Finger cymbals offer so much to a performance, such as the ever-important  back-beat for a dancer\u2019s flight of fancy, or a personalized live touch to an  otherwise sterile recording. When cymbals are played well, audiences usually  love them. They generate energy and amplify a dancer\u2019s stage presence. They  also imply the dancer has dedicated years of training to her art.<\/p>\n<p>Even though Middle  Eastern dance is continually evolving, finger cymbals have been a constant part  of its evolution. Consequently, it can be argued that the technique for playing  them, along with their accompanying rhythms, have filtered down to us from the  dawn of civilization. It would be tragic then to see them follow the path of  the dinosaurs. But if we play them forward, we will continue to preserve and  transmit this ancient legacy literally in our hands.<\/p>\n<p align=\"center\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"http:\/\/www.gildedserpent.com\/art53\/graphics53\/Zills-sagat-side.jpg\" width=\"500\" height=\"100\" \/><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.gildedserpent.com\/graphics\/acommentbox.jpg\" alt=\"use the comment box\" align=\"right\" \/><\/p>\n<div class=\"ready4more\">\n<p>Have a comment? 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